well, that's more fruitless and confounding websearching to try get that reference than i want to do, or that seems worth doing. that "joke" and response went over my head.
@pascal macaigne I prefer Debian and on a standard box would install Debian but I mainly use Nvidia boxes (Cuda etc.) which insist on Ubuntu. So it is not through choice. Generally when I need help on Debian the Ubuntu help works although the Debian help is good and you do not have to put up with the constant marketting to upgrade to the paid version. I acess most of my boxes CLI so I am OK with it all though. I did use Ansible and will do again so I have even less ads to read 😁
I was going to install a debian (on a mac lol) but now I'm confused about the init/systemd issue, I'm not even sure it's been resolved, and my understanding is very limited (sorry I'm quite newbie with linux). I never tried Fedora, could somebody write a quick pro/con about fedora vs debian. I quite like being able to grab the latest versions of binaries and get frustrated -and jealous- when my distro doesn't have it but others do. And I like to customise my desktop. Any recommandation?
@pascal macaigne I started with Red Hat a very long time ago and did not really like it and switched to SuSE around 25 years ago. I feel that I cannot really give a valid opinion seeing as my experience is so long ago. I set my mother up with SuSE so that I could maintain her computer remotely and left to travel the world for 20 years. SuSE started to push their comercial version all the time and I got annoyed with that although I am not against them having a comercial version. I prefer Debian and find it easier with apt and so am at home with Ubuntu but as I said, dislike them telling me how I can spend money every time I update/upgrade. Ubuntu is a fork of Debian and uses the same underlying system so I very rarely have any issue following a Ubuntu guide in Debian. As for comparisons though I have been far too single system for far too long to give advise or to discuss differences. Debian is easy but Macs are not and so I feel hessitant to just say load it and play as I would if you had an i86 to play with. Have you considered getting a Pi to play with?
when i used to go debian, i'd keep it rolling, on sid. now when i devuan, i keep it rolling on ceres. major versioned upgrade jumps ever 6mo/2yr/whatever, are a stress n pain i find more pleasant and less disruptive to avoid. rolling ftw.
had already become not much a fan of ubuntu, before they started down the snaps path. ample reasons more yet to stay upstream from ubuntu. ... or even downstream, with other nasties taken out. or upstream and then down another stream, like devuan and devuan based respins.
going off x86_64, then... i'd likely go gentoo or de**an. are redhatville well-catered for other architechtures too? i dont tend look over at the rpm side of foss much since i left suse for sabayon in 2007. n_n
@Digit The standard setup for a Pi (ARM architechture) is Raspian OS which is a Debian fork. You can also try loads of other Linuxes or OS's like BSD or RISC. Early Pis are deathly slow but recent ones are good toys to learn with. I have them doing stuff around the house as file and media servers. I use one in the TV with OSMC loaded to play music or watch movies etc.
I really came to love APT on Xubuntu years ago, same with Mint and Linux Lite. When systemd got scary, I switched to MX-Linux (which "has but doesn't use" systemd (???). When I realized what a joke that actually is, I went with truly systemd-free antiX for a spell.
When even the Linux kernel itself went to the Dark Side, I switched to GhostBSD (Xfce) and find it more nimble and more stable than any Linux distro I had ever used.
@Jamie I share your enthusiasm for ubuntu community. Every time you search for debian or linux-related you get 90% pertinent result (sometimes even for macos if its simple terminal unix question 😅). I used to have 3 Raspberry Pi, now only 1. I never tried any system other than Debian (or "raspbian" for Pi) this is why I'm curious about doing a (risky?) jump in the unknown with Fedora. But I'm totally unwilling to spend days doing techy stuff or learning new shit from scratch.
"snaps" in ubuntu by default, yes thanks @Digit for reminding me about the exact term. I was really shocked and disgusted about this, although I ain't a linux-ayatollah like you guys. The "beauty" of apt is you don't have to leave your cozy terminal to install stuff, as opposed to 1)open browser 2)search for/download the "app" 3)click and install , like if it was a fracking windows. And totally betray the gnulinux spirit of modularity,
about #RaspberryPi , actually, I used to do exactly that for the same reason: have a cheap computer running file server, or, if connected to a TV screen at the other side of the living room, also play movies, music etc... also low ARM cpu power consumption. But if you think about it, Pi is designed for robotics , and not so cheap. Also it only runs with a customised debian. And recently the price went up, because of shortage of chips or something like that (maybe its gone down by now). So sometimes you'd be better off grabbing a cheap second hand laptop. Much bigger size though and consuming much more electricity though, it depends how/why you wanna use it for.
pascal macaigne
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Digit
Als Antwort auf anonymiss • • •well, that's more fruitless and confounding websearching to try get that reference than i want to do, or that seems worth doing. that "joke" and response went over my head.
huh?
websearch says no.
Jamie
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anonymiss und pascal macaigne mögen das.
pascal macaigne
Als Antwort auf anonymiss • • •I never tried Fedora, could somebody write a quick pro/con about fedora vs debian. I quite like being able to grab the latest versions of binaries and get frustrated -and jealous- when my distro doesn't have it but others do. And I like to customise my desktop. Any recommandation?
Jamie
Als Antwort auf anonymiss • • •pascal macaigne mag das.
Digit
Als Antwort auf anonymiss • • •when i used to go debian, i'd keep it rolling, on sid.
now when i devuan, i keep it rolling on ceres.
major versioned upgrade jumps ever 6mo/2yr/whatever, are a stress n pain i find more pleasant and less disruptive to avoid. rolling ftw.
had already become not much a fan of ubuntu, before they started down the snaps path. ample reasons more yet to stay upstream from ubuntu. ... or even downstream, with other nasties taken out. or upstream and then down another stream, like devuan and devuan based respins.
going off x86_64, then... i'd likely go gentoo or de**an. are redhatville well-catered for other architechtures too? i dont tend look over at the rpm side of foss much since i left suse for sabayon in 2007. n_n
mögen das
pascal macaigne und ❄️ freezr ❄️ mögen das.
Jamie
Als Antwort auf anonymiss • • •pascal macaigne mag das.
ℝ𝕠𝕓𝕚𝕟
Als Antwort auf anonymiss • • •I really came to love APT on Xubuntu years ago, same with Mint and Linux Lite. When systemd got scary, I switched to MX-Linux (which "has but doesn't use" systemd (???). When I realized what a joke that actually is, I went with truly systemd-free antiX for a spell.
When even the Linux kernel itself went to the Dark Side, I switched to GhostBSD (Xfce) and find it more nimble and more stable than any Linux distro I had ever used.
pascal macaigne
Als Antwort auf anonymiss • • •@Jamie I share your enthusiasm for ubuntu community. Every time you search for debian or linux-related you get 90% pertinent result (sometimes even for macos if its simple terminal unix question 😅). I used to have 3 Raspberry Pi, now only 1. I never tried any system other than Debian (or "raspbian" for Pi) this is why I'm curious about doing a (risky?) jump in the unknown with Fedora. But I'm totally unwilling to spend days doing techy stuff or learning new shit from scratch.
"snaps" in ubuntu by default, yes thanks @Digit for reminding me about the exact term. I was really shocked and disgusted about this, although I ain't a linux-ayatollah like you guys. The "beauty" of apt is you don't have to leave your cozy terminal to install stuff, as opposed to 1)open browser 2)search for/download the "app" 3)click and install , like if it was a fracking windows. And totally betray the gnulinux spirit of modularity,
pascal macaigne
Als Antwort auf anonymiss • • •But if you think about it, Pi is designed for robotics , and not so cheap. Also it only runs with a customised debian. And recently the price went up, because of shortage of chips or something like that (maybe its gone down by now). So sometimes you'd be better off grabbing a cheap second hand laptop. Much bigger size though and consuming much more electricity though, it depends how/why you wanna use it for.
pascal macaigne
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