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Why Platformer is leaving Substack

We’ve seen this movie before — and we won’t stick around to watch it play out
Casey Newton (Platformer)
@Casey Newton
Als Antwort auf Molly White

Molly White
Molly White
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pretty remarkable just how scummy Substack has been throughout all this.

this on top of the news that they actively solicited that anti-anti-Nazi letter!

In the end, we found seven that conveyed explicit support for 1930s German Nazis and called for violence against Jews, among other groups. Substack removed one before we sent it to them. The others we sent to the company in a spirit of inquiry: will you remove these clear-cut examples of pro-Nazi speech? The answer to that question was essential to helping us understand whether we could stay. It was not, however, a comprehensive review of hate speech on the platform. And to my profound disappointment, before the company even acted on what we sent them, Substack shared the scope of our findings with another, friendlier publication on the platform, along with the information that these publications collectively had few subscribers and were not making money. (It later apologized to me for doing this.) The point of this leak, I believe, was to make the entire discussion about hate speech on Nazis on Substack appear to be laughably small: a mountain made out of a molehill by bedwetting liberals.
To us, the six publications we had submitted had only ever been a question: would Substack, in the most clear-cut of all speech cases, do the bare minimum? In the end, it did, in five out of six cases. As all of this unfolded, I spoke twice with Substack’s co-founders. And while they asked that those conversations be off the record, my understanding from our conversations — based on material they had shared with me in writing — was that in the future they would regard explicitly Nazi and pro-Holocaust material to be a violation of their existing policies. But on Tuesday, when I wrote my story about the company’s decision to remove five publications, that language was missing from their statement. Instead, the company framed the entire discussion as having been about the handful of publications I had sent them for review.
Als Antwort auf Molly White

Viss
Viss
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i think one thing that we've learned collectively (or at least i hope that we have learned) is that if you take a garbage human and you push them through some kind of collegiate repertoire in an effort to un-garbage them, more times than we all care to admit, the result is just a really well worded garbage person who is now armed with better scaffolding onto which to insert more garbage. and substack's founders seem to make the case for that measure
Als Antwort auf Molly White

me_valentijn
me_valentijn
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Hate speech on social media generates clicks and revenue. Platforms will only take action when the problem becomes too large and publicized to avoid substantial backlash.

The primary reason they finally remove hateful content is to remove that evidence of the platform's systemic failure to moderate, rather than due to the prolific content violations themselves.

Als Antwort auf Molly White

LDA $6502
LDA $6502
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Can you direct me to the report about Substack soliciting the anti-anti-Nazi letter? Sounds totally like the type of thing they'd do, but I'd like to read more.

EDIT: Found it! substack.com/@katz/note/c-4698…


Note by Jonathan M. Katz on Substack

Thanks for doing this, @Mike Freedman. Thanks to you we now have confirmation that Substack co-chief @Hamish McKenzie was directly involved in the creation of Elle Griffin’s anti-Substackers-Against-Nazis “pre-buttal” group letter.
Substack
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Als Antwort auf Molly White

Pax Ahimsa Gethen
Pax Ahimsa Gethen
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Good move (literally). I appreciate the Q/A and responses to concerns many of us have raised.
Als Antwort auf Molly White

vruz
vruz
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@caseynewton

The Nazi bar fucked him over. Now he may begin to understand why you don't appease the Nazi bar.

Als Antwort auf Molly White

olav
olav
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[edited because I'm daft] Platformer is big enough that Substack should be concerned
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Als Antwort auf olav

Molly White
Molly White
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@olav the subscriber number that substack displays includes free and paid subscribers
@olav
Als Antwort auf Molly White

olav
olav
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I forgot to take that into account, thanks. It's been a day of recovering my laptop 😛
Als Antwort auf Molly White

CharleyCarp
CharleyCarp
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Good for Molly for Showing the Way, and good for Casey for following.
Als Antwort auf Molly White

Simon Dückert
Simon Dückert
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Wird #Substack das neue Twitter (im negativen Sinne)? #Hhost scheint eine Open-Source-Alternative zu Substack zu sein. Kenne ich noch nicht, muss ich mir mal ansehen.
#substack #hhost
Als Antwort auf Molly White

cpep
cpep
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Yikes "It was not, however, a comprehensive review of hate speech on the platform. And to my profound disappointment, before the company even acted on what we sent them, Substack shared the scope of our findings with another, friendlier publication on the platform, along with the information that these publications collectively had few subscribers and were not making money. (It later apologized to me for doing this.)" 😬
Als Antwort auf Molly White

Aleggra
Aleggra
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“Substack deserves credit for kicking off a revolution in independent publishing. But the world it helped to birth is now much bigger than its own platform. Next week we will move to a new home in that world. One where readers can feel confident their money is not going to accelerate the growth of hate movements. And one where we are no longer called upon constantly to defend an ideology we do not believe in.”

Beautifully expressed.

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